The Oireachtas Health Committee is to write to Minister for Health Stephen Donnelly to ask him to defer Cabinet’s approval of the co-location plan for the National Maternity Hospital.
The committee is to ask that St Vincent’s Healthcare Group appear before the committee next Monday to address concerns about the ownership structure but, if that cannot happen, it asks Mr Donnelly to defer the Cabinet decision on the plan, due next Tuesday.
Sinn Féin health spokesperson David Cullinane said that the committee was requesting that the Government approval would be delayed for “a number of weeks to allow further scrutiny”.
Earlier today, Mr Donnelly was urged to change the “clinically appropriate” wording in the new constitution of the National Maternity Hospital (NMH) to help ease concerns.
During an appearance before the Oireachtas Health Committee, the Mr Donnelly was asked by several members of the committee to change the wording so that it is more explicit what it means, and so that it cannot be used to deny women procedures that they request.
The NMH’s constitution states that healthcare procedures that are legal and “clinically appropriate” will be carried out at the hospital.
But some have raised concerns that this could be legally interpreted in a way that prevents women from receiving procedures that they have requested, such as abortions or tubal ligations.
"Make our NMH Public & Secular" - TDs and senators show their opposition to the Govt's co-location plans outside Leinster House. @OurMatHosp pic.twitter.com/2V2mv0Dkkq
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In response to concerns about the ambiguity of the term “clinically appropriate”, Mr Donnelly said the constitution makes it “crystal clear” that all legally permissible procedures will be carried out.
“Not only through the constitution are we guaranteeing clinical, operational independence, we’ve gone a step much further, which I’m advised by the Attorney General is either very rare or unique.
“We’re not just saying that the new hospital can provide all services.
“We are saying that they must provide all services, and six times in the constitution we have said that there can never be any religious influence whatsoever.”
But he acknowledged that the phrase had caused “genuine and understandable” concerns among the public.
Dr Rhona Mahony, consultant obstetrician and gynaecologist and a former master of the NMH, said that she has no concerns that religion would interfere with the procedures that are allowed to be carried out at the National Maternity Hospital if it moves to the Elm Park site at St Vincent’s.
Professor Mary Higgins, a consultant obstetrician, said that it was part of the NMH’s clinical ethos to provide abortion care to women and transgender men, and she and other healthcare workers would not be “mind influenced” by religious figures into not providing that “respectful” care.
Dr Rhona Mahony, obstetrician and gynaecologist and a former master of the NMH, tells the committee she has no concerns about the possibility of religious influence on procedures at the NMH.
There is "layer upon layer of protection" through the ownership framework, she says. pic.twitter.com/qGQnsoNq11— Gráinne Ní Aodha (@GNiAodha) May 11, 2022
Mr Donnelly told the committee that he believed the strong opposition to the co-location plan comes from a “deep-seated mistrust of institutional Ireland, based on an appalling track record in our country when it comes to the church and women’s reproductive health”.
Mr Donnelly said that there are marked differences in the co-location plan compared to when it first came to the fore, including the guarantees in the constitution of the NMH, and the increased public interest representation on the board of the St Vincent’s Holdings Group.
He said that the NMH’s constitution is like an “operating manual and legal instructions” for the maternity hospital, and contains guarantees about the procedures that can take place in it.
When Mr Donnellt was asked by the committee whether the State would buy the land, he said: “They were asked by this Government, they were asked by the previous Government. They have been consistent for the last nine years – that simply is not something that has been on the table for them.”
I want to take this opportunity to give the background to the decision to co-locate the new National Maternity Hospital on the grounds of St Vincent's Hospital. pic.twitter.com/0qXEzxLKVP
— Micheál Martin (@MichealMartinTD) May 11, 2022
John O’Donoghue, a property lawyer and a member of the HSE’s legal team, told the committee that the leasing arrangement with St Vincent’s effectively amounts to public ownership.
“There are two different types of ownership interests in Ireland: there is freehold where you own a property into infinity, and there is leasehold where you own a property for a specific period of time.”
Cabinet had decided to defer approving the co-location plan until next week, pending the publication of legal documents and Mr Donnelly’s committee appearance.
Mr Donnelly said it was expected that Cabinet would approve the co-location deal next week, but added “in terms of what exactly is brought to Cabinet, I wouldn’t rule anything out”.
As the committee was hearing evidence on Wednesday, Taoiseach Micheal Martin released a video on Twitter to explain the background to the NMH deal, emphasising that there are “cast-iron guarantees” that procedures legally permissible within the State will proceed.
The National Maternity Hospital is located at Holles Street in Dublin city centre in a 130-year-old building that is not fit for purpose.
Concerns have been raised about any possible religious involvement in the maternity hospital if it is co-located on the St Vincent’s site, as planned.
